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lol nooo, get PS3 :[ its friggin loaded. Good games will come.

PS3 could trounce the 360 IF it would only incorporate the features that people WANT.

Makeing it able to play streaming music/video (in ANY format) from your PC is huge for several reasons.

You don't have to re encode everything and then after all that hassle you don't have to transfer it over bit by bit and I have an 80GB external HDD and its still a pain in the ass.

Then it takes probably 3-4 to copy a dvd movie (encoded in MPEG2 format) over to the PS3 hard drive. I did Without a Paddle just to try it out.

Add on the fact that the 60GB hdd fills up DAMN fast (not from saves mind you, all my game saves from the 4 different games I've had take up less then 1MB total).

Sony decides to put in a 2.5" SATA hdd instead of a 3.5". You can get a 500GB SATA on newegg for $150 shipped and the same money will only get you a 120GB 2.5" drive.

Enhance the online experience. You should be able to cross game chat with friends like you can on live. When I'm downloading a game demo from the Playstation Store I Should be able to use the PS3 while its going, atleast offline play anyhow.

Those are my biggest beefs, that would totally make the system worth the money since its TRUE 1080p and not upscaled and the fact that id does upscale everything it puts out if you want it to. It'll upscale DVDs to 1080p and mpegs to the same. HDMI is a plus as well. With no HDMI you'll never get 1080p video out of a 360, you shouldnt be able to anyhow because of HDCP.

Yes, I haven't read ANYONE actually getting the 360 to do 1080p. The 360 doing 1080p was just something Microsoft said the 360 will support through a patch in October or something, conveniently before the Wii and PS3 were released. There has been no confirmation of 1080p and there will not be any HDMI for the 360 for quite a while. Also, having 1080p through component defeats the HDCP/DRM of which Microsoft was a leading factor in developing.

I am assuming running linux on the PS3 then running MythTV on that will provide me with all the media playback capabilities I will need? In any case, the PS3 is the only safe route to 1080p.

Not sure if MythTV would run on the PS3, not sure at all but I dunno. You still run into the 60GB limitation unless with MythTV you can access data across a network.

Apparently you can run MythTV from the PS3. Hrm.. if only I had a linux box.

In xbox-scene someone asked about XBMC being on the PS3 and the replies said "just get MythTV.." so im assuming it can do most of what XBMC can do + DVR (no DVR for PS3 though)

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There will be more then MGS for the PS3 that won't show up on the 360.

I think resistance stacks up with gears of war and so does my friend, we've beaten both games.

I don't care for halo either, but it sounds like 360 is a better system for you so get it.

For PB and I, likeing the media center functionality plus the HDMI+ true 1080p outup the PS3 is the better choice.

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im gonna trust this more http://nexgenwars.com/

now... what are you trying to say here? That the 360 sold so much more? That the Wii is outselling the PS3? The first one is negligible due to it being released a year early. It's also obvious why the second one is true, but just because its less than half the price of its competitor doesn't mean its better.

Back to the 1080p for 360 thing, even if it achieves native 1080p and not upscaling, 360 games are limited to the 8.5GB capacity of Dual Layer DVDs (compared to the PS3's 50GB DL capacity). They won't be able have much 1080p (or even 720p) level detail with such a size limitation. They would have to resort to short games or multiple disks. While I could probably live with the disk changing, I would imagine this resulting in a limited multiplayer play.

One fix Microsoft could try to do later on is to have HD-DVD games that require the add-on HD-DVD drive. But guess what happens when you do that? $400 360 + $200 HD-DVD drive = same price as PS3 while having a a 66% smaller hard drive (20GB vs 60GB) and 40% smaller game disc capacity (HD-DVD DL is 30GB vs Bluray DL 50GB). Tell me, which console is the better deal? I hate it when people complain about the PS3's price. In reality the 360 costs more to even become comparable to the PS3's 1337ness.

Saying the PS3 won't have good games is just stupid. What exactly, did the 360 have in it's arsenal during its release? Halo 3 isn't even out yet, Halo 1 and 2 can be played on the original Xbox, and Gears of War came later on. Give the PS3 some time before saying the 360 has better games.

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I also think the aesthetics is a slight arguing factor here. The 360 console and the PS3 console are about the same size, PS3 being a little bigger. However, the 360's external power supply is literally half the size of the console while the PS3's power supply is built in. Then, to achieve HD capabilities "equal" (hah) to the PS3, you would need to get the HD-DVD add-on drive which is also quite large on its own. This all results in the 360 taking up a far greater amount of space than the PS3.

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lol, When I first started typing out why the Wii sucks, the actual objective was "Why the PS3 owns" but I decided to cut it short and stop at shooting down the Wii. The points above are some of the points I was going to use for the later 360 vs PS3 part and I'm glad I was still able to mention them anyway.

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How else am I supposed to compare the three "things?" To say one console has better games is just being biased, there will always be someone who will only love the games of a certain console. Even I also think the 360 has the better games right now. But to say the 360 is better just because I like their current games is unfair. Therefore, the only logical point of comparison is the HARDWARE. The HARDWARE gauges what the console can really do, all we have to do after that is wait for a game that can use it to its fullest.

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I will not get PCs involved because their price is way up there.

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Wait until the PS3 sees some of its better games and then you start to see the true benefit of 1080p detail throughout the entire game and not just pre rendered cut scenes because thats all the 360's 8.5GB per game will be able to afford.

You start making HD-DVD only games and you've effectively told about 9 million 360 owners to pony up for the HD-DVD addon or go fornicate themselves.

PB also already makes valid points that as to date the PS3 is as good of if not a better value for the money. Bigger hard drive, smaller size (mainly due to the internal PSU) and to ice the cake 20GB more storage space per disk.

The 360 had shit when it launched, zero games that weren't ports of xbox titles.

I7Iz490N wrote:If you ONLY count hardware, PS3 is better. But think about it like this:

If someone made a console out of nowhere, let's just name it Penis for the sake of this argument, it had like a quad-core CPU etc etc, best hardware, etc, you can't say it's the BEST.

The PS3's hardware is a bit better than 360's if you just compare that. (Wii is out of question, it's in a different market if all you care about is HW). The PS3 supports more formats, has HDMI, etc. However, this all means nothing if people aren't buying it.

It's funny how Sony released the PS3 1 year after the 360, and the 360 has basically the same hardware, and is a lot cheaper. They plan on dropping it by like $50 / per year until it reaches 200 or something. GG, doubt they could do that for the PS3 with all that jizz needed to make it. Sure after the HD-DVD add on they basically the same price, but PS3 won't change. Also, XBOX 360 will immediately become the victor when Halo 3 comes out. Doubt PS3 has anything up its sleeve which can top H3...

I'll give you that hardware doesn't make the system, if there are no good games then its not worth much at all. Powerful systems have failed before.

They delayed the PS3 because of the poor production yields of the blu-ray diodes and even then they were behind on production which was horrible because they managed to launch right before a holiday yet had about 1/4 the amount of consoles available that they could have sold instantly.

See dragon? You're being biased saying Halo 3 is the best. I'm trying to avoid such fanboyism when comparing the consoles. If you love Halo so much then go ahead and get the 360. But no game can be the "best" and Halo 3 doesn't mean the 360 > PS3.
"Your argument is basically invalid" because you're comparing games.

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Just remembered something, the PS3 also has a $500 20GB version, same HD size as the $400 360, but $100 cheaper once you add the HD-DVD drive. If they really are going to start taking $50 off each year, that would take the 360 TWO MORE YEARS to be as good of a deal as a PS3. The question is, what will the HD-DVD drive and PS3 price drops look like in two years?