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shouldnt a case that can fit multiple drives provide enough space to use them....?

incorrect theory, a smaller case is easier to cool as the fan(s) have a smaller volume needed to 'replace' air which also means a better chance for dust to be sucked back out rather than settling within the case.

and what kinda brand is THAT... O_O, the Lucoms 17" monitor i got for like 40 bucks has a constantly shaking screen, i would expect all other cheap brands to be similar, rule of "thumb": You get what you pay for. at least thats whta ive learned buying a buncha random junk (not good brands) from frys that were on insane sales, i especially hate this card reader that scratches the card when u push it in

lol

Well im telling you this retarded HP Pavilion 533w has space for a 2nd HDD, but to put it in you have to take fan and HS off mobo.

Which card is better, a nilla 6800 or a X800GTO?

6600GT > 9800XT
6800 Vanilla >= 6600GT
6800 GT >> 6800 Vanilla
6800 GT >= X800 Pro
X800 GTO >= 6800 GT
X800 GTO > X800 GT
(theres a performance gap here, the line between low and high end)
7800 GT >>> X800 GTO
X850 XT PE >= 7800 GT
X1800 XL > X850 XT PE
7800 GTX > X1800 XL
X1800 XT >> 7800 GTX

.. in Farcry and Half-Life 2 benchmarks for high-res

if you check the prices of say.. the 6800 GT vs the X800 GTO i believe the choice is clear. so clear that i had to go back and check
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/241/9
yup... GTOs faster for $100 less

btw all new cards (ATI anyway) are virtually AIW cards, they all possess video input.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820227031

Im thinking of going with this ram, because its got a good quality copper heat spreader and its 2-3-3-6. Which people on the Tomshardwareguide forums have reported the chip running stably at 2-3-3-5 @230mhz, which works out nice since I want to up the FSB on my new cpu to around that (246mhz). I've learned that keeping the CPU and RAM bus speeds 1:1 isnt that important with AMDs as long as the bus speed of the CPU is atleast as high as the speed of the ram.

It would be pointless to get 2GB of ram, because I wont need that much right now. Its nice though that if I ever would that mobo can support it.

And I was also debateing between that X800GTO and the new Nvidia 6800GS

How do you know if either of these cards have extra unlockable pipelines??

6800GS is 1100/485 stock, but im pretty sure there are no extra pipes to unlock.

upgrade to four sticks of 512MB? ewww XD lol w/e

.. GTO is supposed to be the one with unlockable pipes, especially the GTO2 with something about flashing to an X850 XT PE but i wouldnt count on either one now ^^ according to a 6800GS review its still slower than the GTO and it costs more

Im going with an 7800GT now FTW.

LOL have fun, looks like those have video input as well. goodie :]

but wouldnt that mean faster stuff for the rest of the system?

dont make a mistake like i did, buying parts 1337er than your system may make it seem cool but you aint gonna get shit outta it. 6800 vanilla >>>> Athlon XP -_-
whats gonna happen is youre short 100-200 bucks

I've revised it alot... heres what I have thus far.

(FROM NEWEGG)



-Keyboard/mouse 20$ Microsoft B7S-00003 Mouse and Keyboard

-Floppy Drive 10$

-Case 55$ COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window - Retail

-CPU 233$ AMD Athlon 64 San Diego 3700+

-Mobo 115$ DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

-Hard Drive 78$ Western Digital Caviar SE 160GB 3.5" SATA 300MB/s Hard Drive - OEM

-Optical Drive 40$ LITE-ON Black IDE DVD Burner Model SOHW-1693S Black - Retail

-Video Card* 370$ BFG Tech Geforce 7800GT BFGR78256GTOC Video Card - Retail

-Memory 142$ OCZ Gold Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) 2-2-2-5

-PSU 76$ ENERMAX Noisetaker EG495P-VE SFMA 485W Power Supply - Retail

-HS 50$ Thermaltake CL-P0257 Blue orb II CPU Cooler for LGA775 & K8 - Retail

6$ Artic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

TOTAL: 1195 without shipping or taxes (1267$ w/taxes)

*BFG is known for makeing cards that overclock extremely well, this card even ships overclocked alittle bit and I'll get a FREE copy of Call of Duty 2.


I was debating CPU cooling though, either that Thermaltake Blue ORB II or a THERMALRIGHT XP-90C Heatsink - Retail

Heres the Thermalright XP 90C

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835109122

Heres the Blue ORB 2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835106069

Thhe XP-90C doesnt come with a fan and I dont know what size fan it takes, but it still seems better... inono. And dont take this as noob but would I need thermal compound for both??? And how hard is it and how do you apply thermal compound??? Its not hard right??

I dont think this system is bottlenecked anywhere do you??

for cards with the large metal plate over the chip, just put a droplet sized bit of AS5 on the center of CPU and put the heatsink on, the pressure should spread it just fine, if not, that metal plate (heatspreader) will "spread" the heat to where the compound is?

oh well doesnt matter, AMD CPUs dont get hot at all, with the Cool&Quiet stuff, sometimes when it clocks lower itll turn off its fan cuz it doesnt need it

ur RAM sucks. im serious, ull regret it. 1GB is so 3 years ago -_- right dragon?

palmboy5 wrote:for cards with the large metal plate over the chip, just put a droplet sized bit of AS5 on the center of CPU and put the heatsink on, the pressure should spread it just fine, if not, that metal plate (heatspreader) will "spread" the heat to where the compound is?

oh well doesnt matter, AMD CPUs dont get hot at all, with the Cool&Quiet stuff, sometimes when it clocks lower itll turn off its fan cuz it doesnt need it

ur RAM sucks. im serious, ull regret it. 1GB is so 3 years ago -_- right dragon?

As far as I know, that ram is lower latency then yours or dragons. 2GB of ram is un needed, only one game I can think of benifits from 2GB of ram and thats Battlefield 2 ( slight performance increase ). Im not doing 3d cad, or high end professional video editing so 2GB of ram is a waste right now. In a year or two when decently low latency ram ships in 2x1GB Ill upgrade then, right now its not necessary.

:[... i open 8 of my "ginormous" camera pictures in photoshop and my virtual memory partition (which has 727MB free most of the time) is all having a popup saying its in "Very Low" disk space, i check its at 23MB free. my 1GB RAM is full, usually its below 500MB usage. it wont LET ME SAVE IT to make it smaller for YOU GUYS...

two things to blame:
1. when images are opened in an editor the image is saved in RAM as a raw... a BMP.
2. 1GB isnt enough to do jack

i wouldnt call pictures 3d or video editing so ionno -_-

high latency can be made up by a simple 3MHz OC on the FSB. and what about DDR2? have u seen their latency? it doesnt matter..

Do your pictures one at a time and you'll have no issues.

wtf why o.O please explain, your logic is completely new to me